THE REMEDIAL HERSTORY PROJECT
  • Home
  • About
    • Why HERSTORY?
    • The Eckert Test
    • About RHP >
      • Board of Directors
      • Partnerships
    • Contact
  • Giving
    • Giving
    • Become a Patron
  • Educators
    • Teaching with Inquiry
    • Submit a Lesson Plan
    • Professional Development >
      • Online Courses
      • Summer Educators Retreat
      • Sponsor the Summer Retreat
      • Podcast PD Certificate
    • Elementary
    • C3 Inquiries
  • Podcast
    • About the Podcast
    • Apply to Speak
    • All Episodes
    • Season 1 >
      • Episodes 1-10 >
        • S1E1 Our Story
        • S1E2 His Story Her Story
        • S1E3 Heroes and Sheroes
        • S1E4 Herstory's Complicated Suffrage
        • S1E5 His Sphere Her Sphere
        • S1E6 Fast Girls and 1936 Olympics
        • S1E7 Standards and Her Voice
        • S1E8 Rape and Civil Rights
        • S1E9 Textbooks and Crossdressing Spies
        • S1E10 It's not about feminism
      • Episodes 11-20 >
        • S1E11 Equal Pay and Ida Tarbell
        • S1E12 Equal Rights Amendment
        • S1E13 Culture Wars and the Frontier PART 1
        • S1E14 Culture Wars and the Frontier PART 2
        • S1E15 Women's Historians and Primary Sources
        • S1E16 Education and Nuns
        • S1E17 Blanks and Goddess Worship
        • S1E18 Thanksgiving and Other
        • S1E19 Feminist Pedagogy and the Triangle Fire
        • S1E20 Mrs. So and so, Peggy Eaton, and the Trail of Tears
      • Episodes 21-30 >
        • S1E21 First Ladies and Holiday Parties
        • S1E22 Sarah, Mary, and Virginity
        • S1E23 Hiding and Jackie O
        • S1E24 Well Behaved Women and Early Christianity
        • S1E25 Muslim Women and their History
        • S1E26 Written Out Alice Paul
        • S1E27 Blocked and Kamala Harris
        • S1E28 Clandestine Work and Virginia Hall
        • S1E29 Didn't Get There, Maggie Hassan and the Fabulous Five
        • S1E30 White Supremacy and the Black Panthers
      • Episodes 31-40 >
        • S1E31 Thematic Instruction and Indigenous Women
        • S1E32 Racism and Women in the Mexican American War
        • S1E33 Covid Crisis and Republican Motherhood
        • S1E34 Burned Records and Black Women's Clubs
        • S1E35 JSTOR and Reconstruction
        • S1E36 Somebody's Wife and Hawaiian Missionary Wives
        • S1E37 Taboo = Menstruation
        • S1E38 What's her name? Health, Religion and Mary Baker Eddy PART 1
        • S1E39 What's her name? Health, Religion and Mary Baker Eddy PART 1
        • S1E40 Controversial and Reproductive Justice PART 1
      • Episodes 41-50 >
        • S1E41 Controversial and Reproductive Justice PART 2
        • S1E42 Sexual Assault and the Founding of Rome
        • S1E43 Sexist Historians and Gudrid the Viking
        • S1E44 Byzantine Intersectionality
        • S1E45 Murder and Queens
        • S1E46 Hindu Goddesses and the Third Gender
        • S1E47 Women's Founding Documents
        • S1E48 Women and Bletchley Park
        • S1E49 Unknown Jewish Resistance Fighters
        • S1E50 End of Year ONE!
    • Season 2 >
      • Empresses, Monarchs, and Politicians >
        • S2E1 Let's Make HERSTORY!
        • S2E2 Empresses, Monarchs, and Politicians: How did women rise to power in the Ancient world? >
          • Women Explorers and Pioneers >
            • S2E29: Women Explorers and Pioneers: Who was the real Lady Lindy?
            • S2E30: What is the heroine's journey of women in the west? ​With Meredith Eliassen
            • S2E31: What is the lost history of the Statue of Freedom? with Katya Miller
            • S2E32: Why did women explore the White Mountains? With Dr. Marcia Schmidt Blaine
            • S2E33: How are native women telling their own stories? with Dr. Ferina King
        • S2E3 How did female sexuality lead to the rise and fall of Chinese empresses? with Dr. Cony Marquez
        • S2E4 How did medieval women rise and why were they erased? ​With Shelley Puhak
        • S2E5 Did English Queens Catherine of Aragon and Anne Boleyn have agency? with Chloe Gardner
        • S2E6 Is Elizabeth a turning point in World History? with Deb Hunter
        • S2E7 How did Maria Theresa transform modern Europe? With Dr. Barbara Stollber-Rilinger
        • S2E8 Were Paul and Burns the turning point in women's suffrage? With Dr. Sidney Bland
        • S2E9 Were the First Ladies just wives? ​With the First Ladies Man
        • S2E10: How did ER use her position and influence to sway public opinion and influence politics? ​With Dr. Christy Regenhardt
        • S2E11: Why was women’s fight for low level offices needed? ​With Dr. Elizabeth Katz
        • S2E12 Should We Believe Anita Hill? With the Hashtag History Podcast
      • Women Social Reformers >
        • S2E13: Women in Social Reform: Should temperance have been intersectional?
        • S2E14: Why are material culture artifacts reshaping our understanding of women's history? With Dr. Amy Forss
        • S2E15: Did 19th institutionalizing and deinstitutionalizing healthcare make it safer? with Dr. Martha Libster
        • S2E16: Why are the interconnections between women and their social reform movements important? With Dr. DeAnna Beachley
        • S2E17: Did WWII really bring women into the workforce? ​With Dr. Dorothy Cobble
        • S2E18: How have unwell women been treated in healthcare? ​With Dr. Elinor Cleghorn
        • S2E19: How did MADD impact the culture of drunk driving?
      • Women and War >
        • S2E20: Women and War: How are Army Rangers still changing the game?
        • S2E21: Should we remember Augustus for his war on women? ​With Dr. Barry Strauss
        • S2E22: Were French women willing participants or collateral damage in imperialism? with Dr. Jack Gronau
        • S2E23: Was Joan of Arc a heretic? ​With Jacqui Nelson
        • S2E24: What changes did the upper class ladies of SC face as a result of the Civil War? with Annabelle Blevins Pifer
        • S2E25: Were Soviets more open to gender equality? ​With Jacqui Nelson
        • S2E26: Why Womanpower in the Women's Armed Services Integration Act of 1948? with Tanya Roth
        • S2E27: What role did women play in the Vietnam War? with Dr. Barbara Tischler
        • S2E28: Why were women drawn into the Anti-Vietnam Movement with Dr. Jessica Frazier
      • Women in World Religions >
        • S2E34: Women and World Religions: How did Confucianism’s enduring impact affect women in China?
        • S2E35: What precedent is there for female Islamic leaders? with Dr. Shahla Haeri
        • S2E36: Were Islamic Queens successful? with Dr. Shahla Haeri
        • S2E37: Is there space for female Islamic leaders today? with Dr. Shahla Haeri​
        • S2E38: Were Protestant women just wives and mothers? with Caroline Taylor
      • Women in Queer History >
        • S2E39: Queer Women in History: How did one woman legalize gay marriage?
        • S2E40: Was Title IX just about sports? with Sara Fitzgerald
        • S2E41: Was Hildegard de Bingen gay? with Lauren Cole
        • S2E42: What crimes were women accused of in the 17th and 18th Century? with Dr. Shannon Duffy
        • S2E43: How should we define female friendships in the 19th century? with Dr. Alison Efford
        • S2E44: Were gay bars a religious experience for gay people before Stonewall? with Dr. Marie Cartier
      • Women and Business >
        • S2E45: Women and Business: Do We still have far to go? With Ally Orr
        • S2E46: How did 16th century English women manage businesses? with Dr. Katherine Koh
        • S2E47: How did free women of color carve out space as entrepreneurs in Louisiana? with Dr. Evelyn Wilson
        • S2E48: Who were the NH women in the suffrage movement? with Elizabeth DuBrulle
        • S2E49: What gave Elizabeth Arden her business prowess? with Shelby Robert
        • S2E50: End of Year Two
        • BONUS DOBBS v. JACKSON WOMEN'S HEALTH
    • S3E1: Mahsa "Jani" Amini and the Women of Iran
  • Shop
  • Learn
    • Learning Overview
    • World History >
      • 1. to 15,000 BCE Pre-History
      • 2. to 15,000 BCE Goddesses
      • 3. 10,000 BCE Agricultural Revolution
      • 4. 4,000-1,000 BCE City States
      • 5. 800-400 BCE Rome's Founding Myths
      • 6. 800-300 BCE Asian Philosophies
      • 7. 100 BCE - 100 CE Roman Empire
      • 8. 100 BCE - 100 CE Han Empire
      • 9. 0 CE Monotheism
      • 10. 100-500 Silk Roads
      • 11. 300-900 Age of Queens
      • 12. 700-1200 Islam
      • 13. 1000-1500 Feudalism
      • 14. 900-1200 Crusades
      • 15. 1200-1400 Mongols
      • 16. 1300-1500 Renaissance and Ottomans
      • 17. 1000-1600 New Worlds
      • 18. 1000-1600 Explorers
      • 19. 1450-1600 Reformation
      • 20. 1500-1600 Encounters
      • 21. 1500-1600 Slave Trade
      • 22. 1700-1850 Enlightenment
      • 23. 1600-1850 Asia
      • 24. 1850-1950 Industrial Revolution
      • 25. 1850-1950 Imperialism
      • 26. 1900-1950 World Wars
      • 27. 1950-1990 Decolonization
    • US History >
      • 1. Early North American Women
      • 2. Women's Cultural Encounters
      • 3. Women's Colonial Life
      • 4. American Revolution
      • 5. Republican Motherhood
      • 6. Women and the Trail of Tears
      • 7. Women in the Abolition Movement
      • 8. Women and the West
      • 9. Women in the Civil War
      • 10. Women and Reconstruction
      • 11. The Rise of NAWSA and NACWC
      • 12. Women and Expansion
      • 13. Women and Industrialization
      • 14. Progressive Women
      • 15. Women and World War I
      • 16. Final Push for Woman Suffrage
      • 17. The New Woman
      • 18. Women and the Great Depression
      • 19. Women and World War II
      • 20. Post-War Women
      • 21. Women and the Civil Rights Movement
      • 22. Women and the Cold War
      • 23. Reproductive Justice
      • 24. The Feminist Era
      • 25. Modern Women
  • Resources
    • OTD Calendar
    • Book Club
    • Books
    • Movies >
      • World History Films
      • US History Films

Season 2: Episode 1: Let's Make HERSTORY!

Welcome back to Season 2... And by season we really mean year because let’s be honest we’re educators and we work in school years. Happy start of school year! Kelsie and Brooke get together to talk about RHP, the summer projects, reintroduce ourselves and our mission. We share a bit of our conversation with Prasidha at WEAR to inspire you about future generations and the year ahead! You can find her organization at www.w-e-a-r.org. ​
Brooke Sullivan  0:00  
Hey Kelsie.

Kelsie Eckert  0:00  
Hey Brooke.

Brooke Sullivan  0:02  
Want to tell her what's happening in today's episode?

Kelsie Eckert  0:04  
Today we are welcoming ourselves back to Season Two.

Brooke Sullivan  0:10  
Welcome Kelsie.

Kelsie Eckert  0:11  
Oh, lovely. Man, we're actually shaking hands.

Brooke Sullivan  0:16  
Is that how you greet people?

Kelsie Eckert  0:17  
Not during COVID Brooke

Brooke Sullivan  0:20  
Elbow bump. I'm within six feet of you for much longer than three seconds. I think we can shake it.

Announcer  0:28  
Hello, and welcome to remedial her story, the other 50% the podcast that explores what happened to the women in history class. Now here's your host, Kelsey Brooke Eckert and her partner in crime. Brooke Niva. Sullivan.

Kelsie Eckert  0:46  
Season Two, really year two. Episode One. Brooke. We are back. 

Brooke Sullivan  0:54  
We're back. Back again. 

Kelsie Eckert  0:57  
We should tell people, remind people who we are. Who are you?

Brooke Sullivan  1:02  
I am your friend. 

Kelsie Eckert  1:04  
Yes. 

Brooke Sullivan  1:06  
But I'm also a mother and I work in HR, human resources for those who don't know the acronym. I live locally. And I love women's history. 

Kelsie Eckert  1:16  
Yay. And you're like a hardcore feminists.

Brooke Sullivan  1:20  
Oh, yeah. pretty aggressive. Yeah.

Kelsie Eckert  1:22  
Yeah. Your poor sons were a lot of feminist shirts.

Brooke Sullivan  1:27  
They look so cute and RBG.

Kelsie Eckert  1:29  
Yeah, they do. I mean, I'm not I'm not taking I'm not saying stop.

Brooke Sullivan  1:33  
I do like when they wear their, "On Wednesdays, we take down the patriarchy" shirts to daycare.

Kelsie Eckert  1:38  
Yes, yeah, I'm sure the daycare ladies love that.

Brooke Sullivan  1:40  
I don't know what they think of it. To be honest.

Kelsie Eckert  1:43  
My name is Kelsie, and I am now I used to be a high school history teacher. And now I am a professor of social studies education. And, so I haven't left the world entirely. My life is still entirely dedicated to secondary education, and making sure that it is awesome. So I came to this project, through my experience, being a high school history teacher and being like, I don't know anything about women's history. And yet I'm supposed to teach it. This is like really messed up. So I've spent the, you know, last five or so years researching why women's history isn't in the curriculum. What are what are the things that are holding it back? This past summer, I was invited to be the keynote speaker for the National Women's History Museum. And basically the gist of the talk was, what are the barriers? What's the problem?

Brooke Sullivan  2:41  
Why isn't that happening? 

Kelsie Eckert  2:42  
Why isn't it happening? And what are we going to do about it? And so it's, it was a really wonderful professional experience and personal experience just to like, do that and be with those people. Yeah, so I'm involved with the council for social studies, 

Brooke Sullivan  2:58  
You also were teacher of the year!

Kelsie Eckert  2:59  
Yeah, yeah, a couple times. But that's not like

Brooke Sullivan  3:04  
Ha ha casual. Yeah, that happens

Kelsie Eckert  3:06  
That happens to people sometimes.

Brooke Sullivan  3:08  
That are baller.

Kelsie Eckert  3:10  
People who people who apply. The Remedial Herstory Project is a nonprofit working to get women's history into the K to 12 curriculum to help us meet our goal. We produce media, lesson plans, and so much more. Check it out on our website, www.remedial history.com. The Remedial Herstory Project is funded through grants and by listeners like you. Please head over to patreon.com and become a supporter of the Remedial Herstory Project. You too can help us reform education and allow women to be seen heard and complicated. In particular funds from patrons added from here on out will help us launch a crash course YouTube channel on women's history. We will be producing short 10 minute videos that educators can play in their classes telling women's history from era to era for both us and world history. Let's make herstory together.

Brooke Sullivan  4:05  
How'd you come up with Remedial Herstory?

Kelsie Eckert  4:07  
Oh, yeah. So Remedial Herstory. This was well, I was I was writing a book about why women's history wasn't in the curriculum and how to get it in and actually my husband was like, You know what, you need to test this this book out in some way. And so he was like, you should do a podcast and then you and I happened to be skinny dipping? Yeah, at night. 

Brooke Sullivan  4:28  
We had a we have a mom's group that we were quarantined for too long, and we had to bust out. Yep. And things got crazy and forgot our bathing suits.

Kelsie Eckert  4:38  
That's where we were at. And that's how it started. And I basically was like, Brooke, I'm going to try this podcast thing I don't know. Do you want in and you joined me?

Brooke Sullivan  4:46  
I was like, yeah, follow you to fire. Where are we going?

Kelsie Eckert  4:49  
And six months later, we found a nonprofit and we've been kind of like all out for a year, which is awesome.

Brooke Sullivan  4:55  
We have an international nonprofit. Yes. There's lesson plans galore. We have received grants. It's been pretty wild.

Kelsie Eckert  5:03  
Yeah. So we found a nonprofit. It's called the Remedial Herstory Project. And our mission is to get women's history into the K to 12 curriculum for our international folks, that's primary and secondary ed. And I'm realizing K to 12 is not a universal term. 

Brooke Sullivan  5:19  
Good to know. Good to know. 

Kelsie Eckert  5:20  
So yeah, anyway, so I so that is our mission. I'm realizing because we had an educators summer retreat, a conference.

Unknown Speaker  5:28  
Yes we brought all of the Remedial Herstory nerds together. Yep. It was awesome.

Kelsie Eckert  5:33  
But one thing that I took away from that conference is that people don't realize how much we have on our website. Yep. So many people came and said, I don't know like, how do you do it? What are the tools? Where are the resources like they were starting from scratch, and I'm like, dude, I've been doing this for five years. Please use my tools and don't reinvent the wheel right and, and take it make it better. 

Brooke Sullivan  5:55  
It's all there for you. 

Kelsie Eckert  5:57  
It's all there for you. And it's backed by, you know, historians that are on our power, 

Brooke Sullivan  6:01  
Oh! But you forgot, it's free. It's free. 

Kelsie Eckert  6:03  
Everything is free. That's on our website. That's a huge piece of our mission. We want. We want women's history in the curriculum yesterday. And I have like very little patience for the excuse anymore, because there are too many tools out there. And and we're also teaching teachers how to do what we're doing so that there's more people taking action and making this, making this happen. I want to plug for a second because I think some people are like, well, it just it doesn't really apply. It doesn't really fit in what I already do. You know, some of the pushback we got at our retreat was, you know, I already already have a packed curriculum, like how am I supposed to and that's a common theme among educators. I don't think I ever once finished a school year and then was like, "Yeah, I taught everything I wanted to teach." So how do you how do you add women? Right? 

Brooke Sullivan  6:54  
Yeah, where? 

Kelsie Eckert  6:55  
And our our answer is basically, you don't you shift what you're doing to include themes that 

Brooke Sullivan  7:03  
have women's voices

Kelsie Eckert  7:03  
That have women's voices in it, and that might be adding and therefore subtracting, right? So you are going to have to subtract in order to add women's themes, or reduce, like, I realize I spend a ton of time on wars in my classes, classic history teacher, and like, so shift some of that people get the idea, you know, on wars, high schoolers get the idea, you can shift to a woman's theme that already you know, is more inclusive. 

Unknown Speaker  7:04  
I think the big thing that you've done through all this and showing other teachers what to bring in is that you are already talking about women and you don't know it right? You just have an opportunity to highlight it where it is. And so there are a lot of the lesson plans are exactly what the teachers already doing. Yep. But when you're talking about Ben Franklin, you talk about several other women that are at the same time he's inventing and doing the thing. They're there. Yeah, there's women writing about him. You can still talk about Ben Franklin from a woman's narrative. So there's all these opportunities. 

Kelsie Eckert  8:02  
We have a lesson on our website about D Day. And D Day is funny because there's no women, right? Like on the beach with with a couple exceptions, right? So tell the story of D day, but have the voices telling the story be women like Eleanor Roosevelt wrote a beautiful piece on D day, read it. Read it. That was what was read to the American people.

Brooke Sullivan  8:23  
You have the topic, you're already doing it. Yeah, just make sure it's inclusive.

Kelsie Eckert  8:27  
Yeah. So if you're interested in our pedagogy, if you're interested in our historiography, I want to send people to Season One. Episodes one two and three we really outline how to do it and what the barriers are and how really how to get 'em in. And then every subsequent episode we talk about the barriers to women's history and how to break it.

Unknown Speaker  8:49  
Yep. But I don't want us to harshly on the sound. We didn't have Tyler back then.

Kelsie Eckert  8:53  
Yeah. We didn't have we didn't have our setup like we do now. But the the content is is pretty high quality in the episodes are: Our story. Herstory and History, Heroes and Sheroes. Those are the three episodes that we really laid out a lot of these big themes. This year, I want to try to shift away from the barriers a little bit because I think the conversation about the barriers almost holds us back from learning women's history. I've been to a lot of like women's history conferences, all the TED talks on women's history that are available online, they're great, but they're all lamenting women's histories and in the curriculum that sucks. And I think we need to shift away from that. Because there is so much scholarship being produced presently on women's history like if you want to be on the cutting edge you need to be first of all reading that right a good teacher, you're reading that stuff and you know, you know the stuff that's that's being written about right now. And then And then secondly, it's like, it's there! It's it's there and we have to use it and one of our board members, Barbara, she's our board chair. At the end of our conference this summer. She came up to me and she was like I have been working in the field of women's history since the 1970s. And it is so sad to me that we still have to do this stuff. And I'm like, yep, it is. It's really sad. And I mean, the nice thing is, is at the college level, there are women's studies programs there are women's history programs. Yeah, the issue that I have with it is that it hasn't translated to the history programs. I did a not a real, you know, scientific study, but I looked at the history requirements for the top seven colleges in New England. Yep. And they all have history majors. And not one of them required a course in women's history to graduate. 

Brooke Sullivan  9:48  
Ugh.

Kelsie Eckert  10:41  
With a major with a history major.

Brooke Sullivan  10:43  
Ouch! So they better be including women's stories and every class if they don't call it out.

Unknown Speaker  10:47  
That's that's the claim that they make that it's included. It's inclusive, we're touching on women's themes. We don't need to like have a class labeled women's history. But for those of us who like have gone to college, since that supposed integration occurred. We know that that didn't happen. And I went through all the elective courses that they offered, and read the course descriptions and, ha ha, less than 10% of the course descriptions mentioned a woman, mentioned women, gender, sexuality, LGBTQ Plus, IA know like, yeah, it was very aggravating. 

Unknown Speaker  11:25  
I think let me spin it to the railroad for you for a second. dial out. These are college graduates going through these programs, they're not going to come teach your children. Yeah, best of luck. Good luck getting this in your classrooms if they did not get it in college.

Kelsie Eckert  11:37  
Right. Right. Because Because college is where you learn, like what's important and what what should be in there.

Brooke Sullivan  11:41  
And then you get to your your school, and you inherit what you inherit. And you're a first year teacher and you sweat every day, because we had to come up with stuff. Yeah. And you you panic, and you try and figure it out. But.

Kelsie Eckert  11:53  
And you go online, and you Google, women's history, finance, your history stuff, generally. And there are lots of great tools. But a lot of the places that are my go twos as an educator, yeah, for history curriculum, really good, high quality, current practice stuff, don't include women either. Brooke, I want to use this opportunity to sort of transition away from talking about the negativity that it's not being taught. But if there's people that are listening right now, and they're like, "What do they mean, it's not being taught?" I really encourage you to listen to some of Season One, we talked in different episodes about the standards. This is one of the ways that we can, you know, measure the quality of women's history and the quantity of women's history being taught in schools. And looking at national standards and state standards, we know that it's not really being taught. I, we talked about textbooks, and we talked about teacher education programs. And all of those things, let us know that it's just really not being taught. And there's this study that was done, where they looked at Orange County, Florida School District, and they found that women's history was being taught maybe once a month, or less. Ha ha. So it was it was so poorly being done in schools. And so anyway, these are all things that have been on my mind this past year, and have been really frustrating for me and just nauseating and yet make me feel like this is such urgent and important work. And last year, I had an opportunity to meet a young woman who is going to be a well, I guess she's a rising Junior. And she gave me hope. And so this isn't an interview per se, but I want to just share a little bit of the conversation that she and I recorded together. She is a rock star. She has founded her own nonprofit to try to push her own school district. Yes, she's a high schooler, her own school district to get women's history into the curriculum. So here's a little bit of my conversation that I had with her.

Prasidha  14:05  
Hi, I'm Prasidha, I am the founder and director of my own like student led nonprofit WEAR Organization which stands for Women for Education Advocacy and Rights.

Kelsie Eckert  14:17  
Oh, so awesome! Ha ha. And you're a sophomore!

Prasidha  14:25  
This this this concept of like women not having equal rights even now was just so interesting to me. Um, so I was like, What can I do like as a student to kind of combat that? And that's when I was like, I mean, I think that one of the most important thing is having like a community where you can kind of come together and fight for something. And that's when I was like, let's let's do it in like the form of an organization that brings together everyone and kind of amplifies the voices that haven't been so far, especially with like, younger students and like high school students. So that's kind of what led me to begin it. Like looking into the whole, what's like, where are the women in history? And in general, and like, what can we do as students. So WEAR, like I said, stands for Women for Education Advocacy and Rights, and basically, is a student led organization dedicated to gender equality, and a lot of like women's rights and representation. And another part of it is actually like, changing the curriculum so that they have women. Um, so a lot of the initiatives for that are focused on like, direct impact, so we have like, a petition. So yeah, that's kind of what we do for education. As an advocacy rights. We do like a lot of outreach and campaigning for women's rights. So like one initiative we do is like creating care packages for women shelters of like menstrual products and sanitary products to help out.

Kelsie Eckert  15:49  
That's amazing. Well, your organization has seen that there's this sort of educational need, and educational advocacy, but then you also are looking at like real serious, like serious issues about access and equity in the world and the community directly around you. I think that's really powerful. And you, I mean, you should be so incredibly proud of the work that you're doing. Because like, you're not I mean, the education stuff is going to impact generations to come. But the other stuff is going to impact people right this moment. And I think that's really amazing. And I also think it's just really cool as a teacher to hear that a group of kids is like, you know, what, our education isn't doing enough. So in addition to all of our other homework, we're going to start with educational TicTok ha ha! To like, educate people, and I think that I'm just so in awe of you. And if my students could be just a little bit like you, I would be so happy! ... Listening to her talk, and realizing that young people are so empowered and connected, and know that they don't know stuff. Is giving me a ton of hope. And it makes me really excited in thinking about our season moving forward and the work that Remedial Herstory is doing because what we are doing is basically saying, yeah! And for kids like that in that school system, here's all the stuff we've got and get it to your teachers and for teachers if you have kids like her that are petitioning you and you're like "Oh my god, what am I gonna do? Use our stuff.

Brooke Sullivan  17:36  
I think one of the things you'd mentioned when we first started all this out is that a lot of the places that you want to go get lesson plans from you can see like a glimpse of it but then you have to pay for the full version all of the documents 

Kelsie Eckert  17:48  
Yeah.

Brooke Sullivan  17:48  
And like I'm sorry Teachers pay for enough. That should just be free

Kelsie Eckert  17:53  
Yeah, yeah, I know there's a lot of people on teacher pay teachers which isn't like you know, you're supporting other educators but I don't know I don't know if I buy that. I think it's a lot of curriculum people pushing out bogus stuff and I just I didn't want to do that I don't want to make money off of poor educators, right? You want people to get the stuff they need and put it in the classroom.

Brooke Sullivan  18:13  
Is get it in the classroom. It's not about making money and so with that's why we established a nonprofit and not a private company, right? We want to establish that this everything comes in goes right back out. Yeah, any money that we get from our Patreon goes right into the design that you know, development videos, anything we're up to. It's reinvested in getting you and the listener and the educator listening. more content.

Kelsie Eckert  18:36  
Yeah, yeah, exactly... This podcast is sponsored by our patrons. Patrons get access to behind the scenes, regular RHP gear, bonus episodes, insights into our research lesson plans before everybody else and more. Brooke, read off these awesome people.

Brooke Sullivan  18:55  
Thank you to Jeff, Barbara, Christian, Kent, Jamie, Jenna, Nancy, Megan, Leah, Mark, Nicole, and Sarah, Alicia and Katya.

Kelsie Eckert  19:03  
Woohoo! Do you know what is so awesome about this particular group of people? 

Brooke Sullivan  19:08  
No what?

Unknown Speaker  19:09  
Very few of them are actually educators. These are bad. Ask people who care so much about equitable and inclusive education that they are willing to put their money where their mouth is

Brooke Sullivan  19:20  
Nice. That's awesome.

Kelsie Eckert  19:22  
Yeah, so cool. You too can become a patron of the remedial history project by heading over to www.patreon.com and becoming a sponsor of the Remedial Herstory Project for just $5 a month. That's it. That's one latte.

Brooke Sullivan  19:40  
I mean, it's, it's one of something but it's cheap! And you get all that stuff?

Kelsie Eckert  19:45  
All that stuff. You too can give up one latte for thousands of children and women.

Brooke Sullivan  19:52  
You could also buy condoms for more than that.

Kelsie Eckert  19:57  
You can reduce. 

Brooke Sullivan  19:58  
You could reduce reproduction. For less than that.

Kelsie Eckert  20:03  
Brooke, most importantly, instead of lamenting that women's history isn't being taught in high school, or that they didn't know these women, these people are putting their money, where their mouth is. And they are getting it in to the curriculum by funding us.

Brooke Sullivan  20:17  
It's awesome. And they believe women stories are important. Thank you. 

Kelsie Eckert  20:22  
Thanks, patrons! We love you. 

Brooke Sullivan  20:24  
We do love you. 

Kelsie Eckert  20:27  
...So this season, we've broken the year into a few different themes. Our first theme that we're going to kick off, in our next episode is Empresses, Monarchs, and Politicians in history. 

Brooke Sullivan  20:40  
Awesome. 

Kelsie Eckert  20:41  
This is a really important one to start with, because those are the women at the top. And so oftentimes, they're written about in the historic record, and they're really easy to get into your classes. So that's exciting. And they're there in every era, social reform, landmark cases and laws, women in business and science, women and warm, queer women in history. This is something I'm pretty passionate about.

Brooke Sullivan  21:04  
And we heard a lot from our listeners, so they really wanted us to narrow focus on that. So yeah, I'm excited. We have a whole theme around.

Kelsie Eckert  21:12  
Yeah, absolutely. And I think it's really important because in you know, when people a lot of times history teachers go, Okay, let's get some, like, you know, queer history into our class, how do we do that? And then their go to is still the masculine version of the gender spectrum or sexuality spectrum. And it drives me nuts, because it's like, Okay, cool. Harvey Milk was awesome.

Brooke Sullivan  21:35  
That's just where my mind went again. I was like, "Oh, yeah."

Kelsie Eckert  21:38  
Also, there are queer women out there that had really important histories that we should be learning about nursing in our school. That's exciting. And lastly, women, explorers, and pioneers, and not necessarily in that order. But those are the themes that we're going to we're going to hone in on on this year. We are proponents of the inquiry model for social studies, education, which is current practice. And I, know in this political climate, we really need to be teaching kids how to decipher information, how to really think about your source of information, be evidence based in your conclusions that you're drawing, you know, it's not just like, "I feel like it's this way," it's like, no, like, there's the evidence to back my feelings, right? To back whatever it is.

Brooke Sullivan  22:25  
Good life lessons.

Kelsie Eckert  22:26  
Yeah, I really like and this is these are life skills. And you know, in education, we always have this debate between skills and content and whatnot. And I think the inquiry model is both right, you kids walk away with so, such rich understanding of the content because they had to do the thinking themselves. I'm a big fan of, you know, let's get students doing history rather than me just telling them history. So in that vein, we are producing inquiry based lesson plans. On our website, we also have a hub that we're launching on C3teachers.org, which is like the go to place for inquiry lessons. I mean, that's huge. It's awesome. The nice thing about this is for this season, we're going to turn every episode into a question as well that you could investigate with your class. And so it'll kind of be that that guiding tool for you to think about using the inquiry model. And inquiry is really just about asking questions, and then going and finding your sources and answering them. 

Brooke Sullivan  23:25  
Very exciting. 

Kelsie Eckert  23:25  
Yeah, so pretty, pretty cool. If you're a teacher and you're listening, or you're a researcher, and you're listening, always check our show notes because we post links to the resources that we've used to produce it. And that's always just a great tool. We also have links to our lesson plans on our website. Our website is packed full of a lot of really cool tools other than lesson plans. So there is a section for the lesson plans dashboard. And then for US history, we have every single era of US history, and at least a few lesson plans for every single era. 

Brooke Sullivan  23:59  
Which we're adding to all the time.

Kelsie Eckert  24:01  
All the time. Constantly adding to.

Brooke Sullivan  24:03  
it also really great sweatshirts and T shirts on there that talk about feminist quotes. So yeah, and I mean always get yourself one.

Kelsie Eckert  24:08  
Yeah. The world page is the one that we're really going to be focusing on this year and developing has the least but that is not in any way a comment on how much is available to us because there is so much out there.

Brooke Sullivan  24:22  
Right and and when we're that's our goal this year to really hone in on the on the world one and build that up.

Kelsie Eckert  24:27  
So those are there. We also a lot of teachers love to teach with film, and I feel like the go to one is iron john angels, which is about the women's suffrage movement. Iron Johnny jobs is great. It's one of the only films that I showed in my US history class that passed the Bechdel Test. And which if you don't know the Bechdel Test is a feminist assessment for Hollywood films. Basically, it's are there two women that have names in the film, period? Do they talk to each other at any point in the film and if they do talk to each other do they talk about something other than the male lead? And it's such an embarrassingly low bar for quote, unquote feminism right like to women who exist and talk about stuff, but it is so sad how few films actually passed the Bechdel Test.

Brooke Sullivan  24:29  
Well, what's exciting is that it's shifting quite a bit with all the female producers that are coming out in the world.

It is getting better, it is still sad. Ha ha.

Kelsie Eckert  25:28  
when you think about movies you're also thinking from the lens of what can I show in a classroom that's appropriate and accurate? There's probably a lot out there that's changed her Hollywood purposes so it's hard I think you're also going from another lens.

Brooke Sullivan  25:41  
Well even Iron Jaw Angels there's like, they added like a whole love scene in there and Alice Paul never got married. Like come on, cut that out.

Kelsie Eckert  25:47  
Well, I think about it from like the English teacher perspective of like the Scarlet Letter. Just don't watch the movies. Yeah.

Brooke Sullivan  25:52  
Yeah. Won't even The Scarlet Letter like that's fiction written right away after the Colonial Era.

Yeah. It's not even close. 

Kelsie Eckert  26:00  
So anyway, we have a whole page on our site of historic films that pass the Bechdel Test, documentaries that you can use that are on women's history from both us and world history. We also have some tips on how to teach with these films in your class and you're welcome to use them or to completely disregard them, but those are there. And soo we've provided you a YouTube link to the trailer, links to the film on IMDB so you can check it out learn a little bit more see what the rating is because sometimes, you know, history films tend to be rated R and that's hard in some grades. 

Brooke Sullivan  26:35  
Violence is tough. 

Kelsie Eckert  26:36  
Yeah, well, and sexual assault and things like that happen and a lot of women's history so so that's there we also have recommended reading for educators to check out. We have all sorts of primary sources and videos that we found you can also follow us on YouTube, subscribe, subscribe to our channel on YouTube. Yep. And I've created playlists of videos that I found on you can also listen to our podcast on YouTube. But I've also created playlists of videos on women's history that other people have produced that are out there and solid for you to check out with your students. So those are there. The site is just packed full of really great resources to help get women's history into the class. Even if you're not down with inquiry model or whatever we've got other things on there for you.

Brooke Sullivan  27:20  
I think you do a good job of centralizing and adding resources to like if you're if you are looking for certain things, we don't try and claim that we're the first ones that invented it, or that it's not out there. We send you to those places, too. So it's also a really great central funnel for a lot of different sites that are talking about some really cool topics that would take you a while to dig on the internet to find and Kelsie's put them all in one place.

Kelsie Eckert  27:45  
All in one place. Yeah. So www.remedialherstory.com and we're going to close out this episode, but I wanted to let everybody know we're coming up with our first theme Empresses, Monarchs and politicians starting in Episode Two. So Welcome back, everybody. 

Brooke Sullivan  28:06  
It is so nice to be back in the studio. 

Kelsie Eckert  28:10  
With Brooke.

Brooke Sullivan  28:12  
With Kelsie. Yeah. Well, I'm Brooke Sullivan,

Kelsie Eckert  28:15  
I'm Kelsie Eckert.

Brooke Sullivan  28:16  
See you next time!

Announcer  28:17  
Thanks so much for listening to Remedial Herstory the other 50%. Please subscribe, rate and review wherever you listen to your podcasts to bring more voices to the conversation. We'd really appreciate that effort. Until next time.

Transcribed by https://otter.ai
Picture
Welcome back to Season 2... And by season we really mean year because let’s be honest we’re educators and we work in school years. Happy start of school year! Kelsie and Brooke get together to talk about RHP, the summer projects, reintroduce ourselves and our mission. We share a bit of our conversation with Prasidha at WEAR to inspire you about future generations and the year ahead! You can find her organization at www.w-e-a-r.org. 
Support our work at www.patreon.com/remedialherstory
Find lesson plans at http://www.remedialherstory.com
Educators! Get professional development credit for listening to our podcast! Head to our website and complete the form and we will send you your certificate. https://www.remedialherstory.com/podcast-pd-certificate.html
Did we miss something? We welcome your feedback.
© The Remedial Herstory Project 2022
Donate
CONTENT
​

Books to Read

Films to Watch

On This Date in Herstory

Professional Development
SITE

About 

Board
​

​Privacy Policy

Terms and Conditions
CONNECT

Speak on our Podcast

​Contact Us

​
Give to RHP
PATRONS
​Jeff Eckert, Barbara Tischler, Brooke Sullivan, Christian Bourdo, Kent Heckel, Jenna Koloski, Nancy Heckel, Megan Torrey-Payne, Leah Tanger, Mark Bryer, Nicole Woulfe, Alicia Guitierrez-Romine, Katya Miller, Michelle Stonis, Jessica Freire, Laura Holiday, Jacqui Nelson, Annabelle Blevins Pifer, Dawn Cyr, Megan Gary, and Melissa Adams.
Picture
  • Home
  • About
    • Why HERSTORY?
    • The Eckert Test
    • About RHP >
      • Board of Directors
      • Partnerships
    • Contact
  • Giving
    • Giving
    • Become a Patron
  • Educators
    • Teaching with Inquiry
    • Submit a Lesson Plan
    • Professional Development >
      • Online Courses
      • Summer Educators Retreat
      • Sponsor the Summer Retreat
      • Podcast PD Certificate
    • Elementary
    • C3 Inquiries
  • Podcast
    • About the Podcast
    • Apply to Speak
    • All Episodes
    • Season 1 >
      • Episodes 1-10 >
        • S1E1 Our Story
        • S1E2 His Story Her Story
        • S1E3 Heroes and Sheroes
        • S1E4 Herstory's Complicated Suffrage
        • S1E5 His Sphere Her Sphere
        • S1E6 Fast Girls and 1936 Olympics
        • S1E7 Standards and Her Voice
        • S1E8 Rape and Civil Rights
        • S1E9 Textbooks and Crossdressing Spies
        • S1E10 It's not about feminism
      • Episodes 11-20 >
        • S1E11 Equal Pay and Ida Tarbell
        • S1E12 Equal Rights Amendment
        • S1E13 Culture Wars and the Frontier PART 1
        • S1E14 Culture Wars and the Frontier PART 2
        • S1E15 Women's Historians and Primary Sources
        • S1E16 Education and Nuns
        • S1E17 Blanks and Goddess Worship
        • S1E18 Thanksgiving and Other
        • S1E19 Feminist Pedagogy and the Triangle Fire
        • S1E20 Mrs. So and so, Peggy Eaton, and the Trail of Tears
      • Episodes 21-30 >
        • S1E21 First Ladies and Holiday Parties
        • S1E22 Sarah, Mary, and Virginity
        • S1E23 Hiding and Jackie O
        • S1E24 Well Behaved Women and Early Christianity
        • S1E25 Muslim Women and their History
        • S1E26 Written Out Alice Paul
        • S1E27 Blocked and Kamala Harris
        • S1E28 Clandestine Work and Virginia Hall
        • S1E29 Didn't Get There, Maggie Hassan and the Fabulous Five
        • S1E30 White Supremacy and the Black Panthers
      • Episodes 31-40 >
        • S1E31 Thematic Instruction and Indigenous Women
        • S1E32 Racism and Women in the Mexican American War
        • S1E33 Covid Crisis and Republican Motherhood
        • S1E34 Burned Records and Black Women's Clubs
        • S1E35 JSTOR and Reconstruction
        • S1E36 Somebody's Wife and Hawaiian Missionary Wives
        • S1E37 Taboo = Menstruation
        • S1E38 What's her name? Health, Religion and Mary Baker Eddy PART 1
        • S1E39 What's her name? Health, Religion and Mary Baker Eddy PART 1
        • S1E40 Controversial and Reproductive Justice PART 1
      • Episodes 41-50 >
        • S1E41 Controversial and Reproductive Justice PART 2
        • S1E42 Sexual Assault and the Founding of Rome
        • S1E43 Sexist Historians and Gudrid the Viking
        • S1E44 Byzantine Intersectionality
        • S1E45 Murder and Queens
        • S1E46 Hindu Goddesses and the Third Gender
        • S1E47 Women's Founding Documents
        • S1E48 Women and Bletchley Park
        • S1E49 Unknown Jewish Resistance Fighters
        • S1E50 End of Year ONE!
    • Season 2 >
      • Empresses, Monarchs, and Politicians >
        • S2E1 Let's Make HERSTORY!
        • S2E2 Empresses, Monarchs, and Politicians: How did women rise to power in the Ancient world? >
          • Women Explorers and Pioneers >
            • S2E29: Women Explorers and Pioneers: Who was the real Lady Lindy?
            • S2E30: What is the heroine's journey of women in the west? ​With Meredith Eliassen
            • S2E31: What is the lost history of the Statue of Freedom? with Katya Miller
            • S2E32: Why did women explore the White Mountains? With Dr. Marcia Schmidt Blaine
            • S2E33: How are native women telling their own stories? with Dr. Ferina King
        • S2E3 How did female sexuality lead to the rise and fall of Chinese empresses? with Dr. Cony Marquez
        • S2E4 How did medieval women rise and why were they erased? ​With Shelley Puhak
        • S2E5 Did English Queens Catherine of Aragon and Anne Boleyn have agency? with Chloe Gardner
        • S2E6 Is Elizabeth a turning point in World History? with Deb Hunter
        • S2E7 How did Maria Theresa transform modern Europe? With Dr. Barbara Stollber-Rilinger
        • S2E8 Were Paul and Burns the turning point in women's suffrage? With Dr. Sidney Bland
        • S2E9 Were the First Ladies just wives? ​With the First Ladies Man
        • S2E10: How did ER use her position and influence to sway public opinion and influence politics? ​With Dr. Christy Regenhardt
        • S2E11: Why was women’s fight for low level offices needed? ​With Dr. Elizabeth Katz
        • S2E12 Should We Believe Anita Hill? With the Hashtag History Podcast
      • Women Social Reformers >
        • S2E13: Women in Social Reform: Should temperance have been intersectional?
        • S2E14: Why are material culture artifacts reshaping our understanding of women's history? With Dr. Amy Forss
        • S2E15: Did 19th institutionalizing and deinstitutionalizing healthcare make it safer? with Dr. Martha Libster
        • S2E16: Why are the interconnections between women and their social reform movements important? With Dr. DeAnna Beachley
        • S2E17: Did WWII really bring women into the workforce? ​With Dr. Dorothy Cobble
        • S2E18: How have unwell women been treated in healthcare? ​With Dr. Elinor Cleghorn
        • S2E19: How did MADD impact the culture of drunk driving?
      • Women and War >
        • S2E20: Women and War: How are Army Rangers still changing the game?
        • S2E21: Should we remember Augustus for his war on women? ​With Dr. Barry Strauss
        • S2E22: Were French women willing participants or collateral damage in imperialism? with Dr. Jack Gronau
        • S2E23: Was Joan of Arc a heretic? ​With Jacqui Nelson
        • S2E24: What changes did the upper class ladies of SC face as a result of the Civil War? with Annabelle Blevins Pifer
        • S2E25: Were Soviets more open to gender equality? ​With Jacqui Nelson
        • S2E26: Why Womanpower in the Women's Armed Services Integration Act of 1948? with Tanya Roth
        • S2E27: What role did women play in the Vietnam War? with Dr. Barbara Tischler
        • S2E28: Why were women drawn into the Anti-Vietnam Movement with Dr. Jessica Frazier
      • Women in World Religions >
        • S2E34: Women and World Religions: How did Confucianism’s enduring impact affect women in China?
        • S2E35: What precedent is there for female Islamic leaders? with Dr. Shahla Haeri
        • S2E36: Were Islamic Queens successful? with Dr. Shahla Haeri
        • S2E37: Is there space for female Islamic leaders today? with Dr. Shahla Haeri​
        • S2E38: Were Protestant women just wives and mothers? with Caroline Taylor
      • Women in Queer History >
        • S2E39: Queer Women in History: How did one woman legalize gay marriage?
        • S2E40: Was Title IX just about sports? with Sara Fitzgerald
        • S2E41: Was Hildegard de Bingen gay? with Lauren Cole
        • S2E42: What crimes were women accused of in the 17th and 18th Century? with Dr. Shannon Duffy
        • S2E43: How should we define female friendships in the 19th century? with Dr. Alison Efford
        • S2E44: Were gay bars a religious experience for gay people before Stonewall? with Dr. Marie Cartier
      • Women and Business >
        • S2E45: Women and Business: Do We still have far to go? With Ally Orr
        • S2E46: How did 16th century English women manage businesses? with Dr. Katherine Koh
        • S2E47: How did free women of color carve out space as entrepreneurs in Louisiana? with Dr. Evelyn Wilson
        • S2E48: Who were the NH women in the suffrage movement? with Elizabeth DuBrulle
        • S2E49: What gave Elizabeth Arden her business prowess? with Shelby Robert
        • S2E50: End of Year Two
        • BONUS DOBBS v. JACKSON WOMEN'S HEALTH
    • S3E1: Mahsa "Jani" Amini and the Women of Iran
  • Shop
  • Learn
    • Learning Overview
    • World History >
      • 1. to 15,000 BCE Pre-History
      • 2. to 15,000 BCE Goddesses
      • 3. 10,000 BCE Agricultural Revolution
      • 4. 4,000-1,000 BCE City States
      • 5. 800-400 BCE Rome's Founding Myths
      • 6. 800-300 BCE Asian Philosophies
      • 7. 100 BCE - 100 CE Roman Empire
      • 8. 100 BCE - 100 CE Han Empire
      • 9. 0 CE Monotheism
      • 10. 100-500 Silk Roads
      • 11. 300-900 Age of Queens
      • 12. 700-1200 Islam
      • 13. 1000-1500 Feudalism
      • 14. 900-1200 Crusades
      • 15. 1200-1400 Mongols
      • 16. 1300-1500 Renaissance and Ottomans
      • 17. 1000-1600 New Worlds
      • 18. 1000-1600 Explorers
      • 19. 1450-1600 Reformation
      • 20. 1500-1600 Encounters
      • 21. 1500-1600 Slave Trade
      • 22. 1700-1850 Enlightenment
      • 23. 1600-1850 Asia
      • 24. 1850-1950 Industrial Revolution
      • 25. 1850-1950 Imperialism
      • 26. 1900-1950 World Wars
      • 27. 1950-1990 Decolonization
    • US History >
      • 1. Early North American Women
      • 2. Women's Cultural Encounters
      • 3. Women's Colonial Life
      • 4. American Revolution
      • 5. Republican Motherhood
      • 6. Women and the Trail of Tears
      • 7. Women in the Abolition Movement
      • 8. Women and the West
      • 9. Women in the Civil War
      • 10. Women and Reconstruction
      • 11. The Rise of NAWSA and NACWC
      • 12. Women and Expansion
      • 13. Women and Industrialization
      • 14. Progressive Women
      • 15. Women and World War I
      • 16. Final Push for Woman Suffrage
      • 17. The New Woman
      • 18. Women and the Great Depression
      • 19. Women and World War II
      • 20. Post-War Women
      • 21. Women and the Civil Rights Movement
      • 22. Women and the Cold War
      • 23. Reproductive Justice
      • 24. The Feminist Era
      • 25. Modern Women
  • Resources
    • OTD Calendar
    • Book Club
    • Books
    • Movies >
      • World History Films
      • US History Films